tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2920983832480771029.post4469053572633098491..comments2023-11-05T01:58:20.326-07:00Comments on Blog: Rebel or Martyr?Kendra Simonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15921658788048481918noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2920983832480771029.post-32203491382015077232009-02-08T12:26:00.000-08:002009-02-08T12:26:00.000-08:00Kenda--The conclusion I'd draw, b oth from your ex...Kenda--The conclusion I'd draw, b oth from your excellent post and from the strong comments it elicited, is that pure motives are an oxymoron. The conscientious objector (rebel) cannot quite free herself of the desire to die for her cause (martyr). In Catcher in the Rye (have you read that?) one of Holden's teachers says that the mark of an immature mindis the desire to die nobly for a cause while maturity involves the willingness to live humbly for one. Your blog reminds me of that statement.LCChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17279890001478323070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2920983832480771029.post-19518172399552065192009-01-26T22:52:00.000-08:002009-01-26T22:52:00.000-08:00Great job Kendra. This blog is very well-developed...Great job Kendra. This blog is very well-developed (I know Matt said that but I have a point to make about it so I'm going to repeat it). I like how you talk about how as the story unfolds it reveals Antigone to be a character with mixed motives and how you made your blog unfold in a similar way . The way each paragraph added a different layer to your debate about her motives made the blog a thought-provoking read. On the second to last paragraph, I was pretty much sold on the idea that she was mostly selfish, but the last paragraph convinced me that their was no clear-cut answer.Richie Zitomerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15814248227910650576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2920983832480771029.post-58878798607166137912009-01-26T19:04:00.000-08:002009-01-26T19:04:00.000-08:00I agree with Matt's post above in the fact that re...I agree with Matt's post above in the fact that rebel and martyr are not mutual exclusive. Antigone is both. She is the rebel <I>by definition</I> because she "rebels" against the law of the day which was literally the law of the day. Creon decreed it, and as such, it is not truly a law that she feels she should obey, as a law is usually the result of time test knowledge and application. She is also a martyr in that, again, <I>by definition</I> she ends up dying for her cause. This makes her a martyr by default. However, I will agree with you that while she is doing it primarily for honor, there is some slight self interest that plays its part in Antigone's desire to be a martyr. She wants the honor, no doubt about it, but I still cannon fully believe she wanted it <B>solely</B> out of self interest, I would like to think that she has some semblance of brotherly love left. Great Post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2920983832480771029.post-17321673275077649682009-01-26T18:47:00.000-08:002009-01-26T18:47:00.000-08:00Well this is great, having The Honorable Matthew R...Well this is great, having The Honorable Matthew Rosenzweig get to your blog (Which you named the KKK... really? Nice one) before me.<BR/><BR/>What I will say is that you have too convinced me that Antigone can be reasonably accurately seen as a martyr. The humanization of her also serves to strengthen the message that your get across to your readers.<BR/><BR/>Good good.<BR/><BR/>ETFE. Tiberius Framhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08859641181272248411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2920983832480771029.post-80293095128293949352009-01-26T15:59:00.000-08:002009-01-26T15:59:00.000-08:00Wow my comment isn't going to sound as smart as hi...Wow my comment isn't going to sound as smart as his. I'm not even going to try.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, you completely convinced me Antigoine was a martyr! I had shortly contemplated the idea but your evidence finalized such a view. I especially enjoyed your comparing Antigoine to classic Greek martyrs and your humanization of Antigoine. You definetly allow the reader to understand her true humanity and therefore relate to her character. Overall, great stuff Ken!Isabel Hineshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04452784740657626810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2920983832480771029.post-29284340438891052522009-01-25T21:10:00.000-08:002009-01-25T21:10:00.000-08:00I appreciate your article for its blatant honesty ...I appreciate your article for its blatant honesty regarding the conspicuous “nobility” of Antigone’s position. When reading Antigone’s lines, I cannot help but imagine an extremely self-righteous female with an undeniable air of arrogance. Your argument concerning Antigone’s quest for self-glory and “praise and honor and attention” is well-developed and supported by ample quotations. However, an argument against your case that I do not believe you sufficiently resolve is that even if Antigone’s character is flawed in the manner you have described, such an element does not deny that Antigone’s cause is a just one if Creon’s law is such an egregious affront to the gods. In such a case, the two options of “rebel” and “martyr” are not mutually exclusive: Antigone is a rebel in the eyes of the laws of men, but a martyr in the eyes of the gods. Nevertheless, your article successfully “humanizes” Antigone, lifting her off the pedestal a reader may be inclined to place her upon initial read.MHRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02033882056091803836noreply@blogger.com